My search for an easy solution to my need to create reasonable panos for indoor environments is narrowing down.
I'm now looking into the "Ricoh Theta". Has anyone had any experience with this camera. Are there any examples that I can look at?
I have heard that it is a bit grainy. Is it?
Has anyone used the Ricoh Theta?
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Since your project seems to be 'testing' the waters approach to panorama imaging I might make this suggestion:
Short weekly term "Rent" camera/ lens and panorama tripod head. Try out it before you buy the gear only to learn it isn't working for you.
Many camera shops also rent kits (panorama tripod camera/ 8mm lens) you use your own SD memory cards.
Sometimes discouraged realtors have kits they are willing to sell at a reasonable recovery costs. Meaning they tried to make panoramas and failed now willing to dump the gear.
Biggest issue is finding the right panorama tripod head. We bought 2 of these (1 for our aging canon EOS 500d and Sigma 8mm fisheye lens and 1 for our Canon 5d and Sigma 8mm fisheye). We found that it they were easy to permanently setup, lite weight and easy use.
http://shop.nodalninja.com/ultimate-r1-r10-series-1/
Nodal Ninja has a UK retailer:
UK Dealer http://www.red-door.co.uk/
Another approach might be to just hire a panorama photographer for a short 1 time project, see what camera equipment they use. Then you use their images to stitch and produce panoramas.
Short weekly term "Rent" camera/ lens and panorama tripod head. Try out it before you buy the gear only to learn it isn't working for you.
Many camera shops also rent kits (panorama tripod camera/ 8mm lens) you use your own SD memory cards.
Sometimes discouraged realtors have kits they are willing to sell at a reasonable recovery costs. Meaning they tried to make panoramas and failed now willing to dump the gear.
Biggest issue is finding the right panorama tripod head. We bought 2 of these (1 for our aging canon EOS 500d and Sigma 8mm fisheye lens and 1 for our Canon 5d and Sigma 8mm fisheye). We found that it they were easy to permanently setup, lite weight and easy use.
http://shop.nodalninja.com/ultimate-r1-r10-series-1/
Nodal Ninja has a UK retailer:
UK Dealer http://www.red-door.co.uk/
Another approach might be to just hire a panorama photographer for a short 1 time project, see what camera equipment they use. Then you use their images to stitch and produce panoramas.
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I really like my Theta, but I don't use it for everything.
Pro
- Capturing a moment in time.
- Getting into tight places
- No stitching
- View interact pano immediate after shooting.
- Simple upload process to social network immediate after viewing.
- GPS data is grabbed from the phone
Con
- Low resolution
- Noisy in low light
- No timelapse
- Tripod is in the shot
- No delay timer to run away from camera
- Your in the shot unless you have a place to hide.
- Your thumb or finger is huge in the shot unless you use a smart phone.
- Even after using Richo's software to level the pano it is not always completely level.
- CA is not completely removed from stitched images
- Post processing is still necessary sometimes to improve image quality by lessening noise, improving color, adjusting contrast, eliminating nadir, and leveling pano.
- The lens is not well protected, can easily be damaged.
Some of these issues can be fixed or improved with a firmware and or smart phone update.
For empty interiors where you can take a couple minutes to shoot a circular fisheye image shooting 4 around will give much better quality.
Some examples:
video - triggering Theta with phone in my hand. kept having to put phone away to make turns that is why I am only on the straightaways.
http://photocreations.ca/video/driveway.html
Driving down the road in an Argo
https://theta360.com/s/AlH
Self portrait
https://theta360.com/s/8Qm
Low light - Fireworks
https://theta360.com/s/7Oc
damage lens - The three dark spots in the sky on the left side of the street are from attempting to use very small tripod to lessen visual impact in nadir and having the camera fall over onto pavement.
https://theta360.com/s/8WM
Very few of my Theta shots have made their way to my personal website. Because I consider them more as snapshots.
Pro
- Capturing a moment in time.
- Getting into tight places
- No stitching
- View interact pano immediate after shooting.
- Simple upload process to social network immediate after viewing.
- GPS data is grabbed from the phone
Con
- Low resolution
- Noisy in low light
- No timelapse
- Tripod is in the shot
- No delay timer to run away from camera
- Your in the shot unless you have a place to hide.
- Your thumb or finger is huge in the shot unless you use a smart phone.
- Even after using Richo's software to level the pano it is not always completely level.
- CA is not completely removed from stitched images
- Post processing is still necessary sometimes to improve image quality by lessening noise, improving color, adjusting contrast, eliminating nadir, and leveling pano.
- The lens is not well protected, can easily be damaged.
Some of these issues can be fixed or improved with a firmware and or smart phone update.
For empty interiors where you can take a couple minutes to shoot a circular fisheye image shooting 4 around will give much better quality.
Some examples:
video - triggering Theta with phone in my hand. kept having to put phone away to make turns that is why I am only on the straightaways.
http://photocreations.ca/video/driveway.html
Driving down the road in an Argo
https://theta360.com/s/AlH
Self portrait
https://theta360.com/s/8Qm
Low light - Fireworks
https://theta360.com/s/7Oc
damage lens - The three dark spots in the sky on the left side of the street are from attempting to use very small tripod to lessen visual impact in nadir and having the camera fall over onto pavement.
https://theta360.com/s/8WM
Very few of my Theta shots have made their way to my personal website. Because I consider them more as snapshots.
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Hello Jim,
Thanks for sharing your experiences and examples of the Theta, it is very useful information.
Imo this device has a future as soon as most of the cons you mentioned has been solved, at least resolution, noise and CA.
Wim
Thanks for sharing your experiences and examples of the Theta, it is very useful information.
Imo this device has a future as soon as most of the cons you mentioned has been solved, at least resolution, noise and CA.
Wim
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Speaking with Ricoh they are very pleased with how well the Theta has been received.
At the moment the price bracket is low enough for the Theta to be classed as disposable. The nuclear industry and other organisations where the likelihood is that the camera will not make it back in one peace can use it then bin it without worrying about cost. Other solutions are far to expensive to be classed as disposable.
This will have an effect on quality, better sensors and optics may lead to a higher cost which is what they are trying to avoid.
We will see what happens next year.
At the moment the price bracket is low enough for the Theta to be classed as disposable. The nuclear industry and other organisations where the likelihood is that the camera will not make it back in one peace can use it then bin it without worrying about cost. Other solutions are far to expensive to be classed as disposable.
This will have an effect on quality, better sensors and optics may lead to a higher cost which is what they are trying to avoid.
We will see what happens next year.
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Thanks Texas360, Jim and Hopki for your helpful comments.
As I'm still at the prototype stage with my project the more expensive possibilities are not appropriate at this stage. The Ricoh Theta is a good idea but the fisheye effect does not give me what I want.
What I have ended up doing is to buy a Sony Xperia Z1 smart phone (I needed a new smart phone anyway). The sweep feature happens to give me what I need at this stage (I don't really need a full 360 degrees). I can put the jpeg output into Photoshop to correct for any distortions or dark areas, which then produces a very acceptable jpeg to go into my Pano2VR.
This is, of course, a very convenient solution because I can go anywhere with my smart phone, no setting up or rotating mounts required: just a horizontal sweep - voila!
As I'm still at the prototype stage with my project the more expensive possibilities are not appropriate at this stage. The Ricoh Theta is a good idea but the fisheye effect does not give me what I want.
What I have ended up doing is to buy a Sony Xperia Z1 smart phone (I needed a new smart phone anyway). The sweep feature happens to give me what I need at this stage (I don't really need a full 360 degrees). I can put the jpeg output into Photoshop to correct for any distortions or dark areas, which then produces a very acceptable jpeg to go into my Pano2VR.
This is, of course, a very convenient solution because I can go anywhere with my smart phone, no setting up or rotating mounts required: just a horizontal sweep - voila!
It can now be called a good quality of output file for 2014?
https://theta360.s3.amazonaws.com/c0796 ... ectangular
*My very old equipment: Nikon Coolpix 4500 + Fisheye converter FC-E8 taken like this, but it was 10 years ago
https://theta360.s3.amazonaws.com/c0796 ... ectangular
*My very old equipment: Nikon Coolpix 4500 + Fisheye converter FC-E8 taken like this, but it was 10 years ago
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I've had a play and it is what it is. Cheap, low res and poor in low light.
However, it certainly has a place.
Ricoh however, bunch of muppets. I was supposed to be reviewing one for a magazine here but they told me it wasn't available in Benelux and there were no plans to sell it here. Me generating interest for a product that wasn't 'off-the-shelf' available wasn't a good idea.
Guess they've not heard of open border trading yet.
However, it certainly has a place.
Ricoh however, bunch of muppets. I was supposed to be reviewing one for a magazine here but they told me it wasn't available in Benelux and there were no plans to sell it here. Me generating interest for a product that wasn't 'off-the-shelf' available wasn't a good idea.
Guess they've not heard of open border trading yet.
The distorted/curved fisheye effect is only visible when viewed through Ricoh's 360 player - in phone or at theta360.competersmall wrote:...the fisheye effect does not give me what I want.
Best practice is transfer the equirectangulars from the Theta and process them with image manipulation software, then import into P2VR
It is a noisy image, with low resolution but it can be improved slightly
See one of my examples
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The latest Firmware update allows ISO priority. This mean that using a tripod in a dimly lit room wont look noisy anymore if set to 100 ISO.
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When I look at this tour, I remember the end of the 90's and virtual tours from iPIX. Welcome to the "Stone Age" of panoramic content!Hi,
House Tour
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hahaha, absolutely.
If I remember as this was done a while back, the pictures too like 10 minutes (including me getting up and down stairs) then once back home 10 minutes on a laptop while watching TV.
More concept then presentation, could the Theta cut it making a Tour.
If I remember as this was done a while back, the pictures too like 10 minutes (including me getting up and down stairs) then once back home 10 minutes on a laptop while watching TV.
More concept then presentation, could the Theta cut it making a Tour.
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Looks like a Manfrotto Pixi plus a monopod of some sort...?Alain wrote:Hi Hopki
What tripod model did you use ?
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